Curse

Liquidsun · May 03, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Hi

I only have limited experience in this game, especially pvp. I haven't even unlocked TA or anything, I haven't even finished the PVE game yet and I've owned it for years!

I play a W/E using a shock axe knockdown build at the moment. My question is this - is my main role to attack the opposite monk or protect my monk if one exists, or should I take out their melee character or support character or what?

I usually follow another warrior if the team has one, if not I go for anybody with Mo/ or /Mo, can anyone offer some basic tips please?

Thanks

Covah · May 03, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Monks look after themselves and heal you. You are the dmg dealer, go kill their monk.

Shaz · May 03, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Not always the best idea to do that. There is no rule that tell you to attack what, you will just have to look at the situation/builds and determine what is the best course of action to take. You'll learn more on what to do with experience.

Anata · May 03, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

A monk feels more pressure, when the opposing team does not take any pressure.

Trylo · May 03, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

well theres a few things to consider; if youre a shock axe you can get off a pretty hefty spike and maybe kill someone in one spike (depends if theyre smart and use full survivors or not). if so, i would go after a high priority target after pressuring a lower priority target with normal attacks (maybe frenzying if youre not getting attacked back) and then spiking a higher priority target. now comes the considering part, which target to kill. i would go after an enemy mesmer before i would go after a monk, especially since shock axe can have a fast spike that the normal RA terribad monk will not comprehend or see coming.

however, this depends a lot on what the other team is. if an assassin attacks your monk, i would go over and shock him in the middle of the his chain. just play smart :P

edit: too many quick responses lol... anyways:

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Originally Posted by Anata

A monk feels more pressure, when the opposing team does not take any pressure.

that is very true. i hate it when my team cannot kill anything for 3 minutes and they blame me when i start to not care if we win or lose anymore.

TheHaxor · May 03, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3484

I couldn't say it any better myself.

snaek · May 03, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

both and neither...
it all depends on the situation

but if u want the best answer of who to attack in ra:
wutever is fastest/easiest to kill (no, i dun mean nubs)
the one with the lowest defense, usually has highest offense and therefore a threat

most monks in ra will have it easier if their teamates are attacked rather than themselves(since they're not being shutdown or pressured)
so the easiest/fastest one to kill in that case becomes the monk

generally attack the monk,
but if he puts up a guardian, then switch targets to build up adren
then either spike ur current target, or switch back to monk and spike him while his guardian is down

if u see ur own monk being heavily pressured,
it wouldnt be so bad to help relieve some of that
especially if hes kiting, and the enemy war decides to overextend from his own monk and is in frenzy

Alex the Great · May 03, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

with your build you attack other monk, If you are linebacking (not done that much anymore) you'd kd people that were attacking your team.

zling · May 03, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

in RA your job would be to take out priority targets first.
the hard part is to identify priority targets, especially in RA where everything is so random.
I encountered plenty of Monk/Sins with Smiting Prayers and Dagger attacks, these arent a top priority, heck kill them last as they can barely hurt your team...
usually Necros and Mesmers will be your priority targets, Blindbot Eles too.
after that usually comes decent Monks, not some Healing Breeze+Mending N00B Monks as those cant keep their party alive if you do a little bit of damage...
than comes Sins as RA Sins are dumb, they usually shadowstep on your Monk and hope for a kill, usually ends up in their own suiciding

help them to suicide

those are just some examples, always try to analyze which character is the biggest threat to your team's survival and eliminate him first. it will come more naturally with experience...
just remember, dont always Monk bash, usually it's a FAIL tactic and will lead to disaster!

Shaz · May 03, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

agrees with zling

Monk is not a threat and usually in RA there is always someone going for the monk first, so I usually attack something that will hurt/pressure my monk the most first. Both to spread the damage/pressure and to relieve my monk of some pressure. If the other monk is bad that target will probably die. But if he's good and you can't make a kill, once you feel that he's low on energy or just use an important prot, try and spike him.

Don't try to monk stomp, if 1-2 of your teammate is already attacking the monk, it's usually a good idea to attack something else to spread the damage/pressure.

Shendaar · May 03, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Do both. Don't be a bad warrior that trains the monk through guardian and a stance the whole game.

Do whatever you have to do to make their monk use as much energy as possible and someone's gonna die eventually.

I try to avoid attacking Mo/W as they tend to have defensive stance(s) which can ruin your day. You can get past them with good timing, but depending on the rest of their team, you may be able to apply more pressure elsewhere.

RotteN · May 03, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

read chiizu's guide on QQ forums (link is already in this thread). It's only a start, but it'll get you a long way.

snaek · May 03, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Shaz

agrees with zling

Monk is not a threat and usually in RA there is always someone going for the monk first, so I usually attack something that will hurt/pressure my monk the most first. Both to spread the damage/pressure and to relieve my monk of some pressure. If the other monk is bad that target will probably die. But if he's good and you can't make a kill, once you feel that he's low on energy or just use an important prot, try and spike him.

Don't try to monk stomp, if 1-2 of your teammate is already attacking the monk, it's usually a good idea to attack something else to spread the damage/pressure.

depends...
if the monk is a pure healer (generally a bad idea but u still see it) or only has 1 or 2 small prots
then his build is prolly more suited to handling team pressure vs single-target pressure better

when u see those big prots go up
then yea, adjust tactics accordingly

audioaxes · May 04, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

warriors attacking other warriors first is one of the biggest no-no's

Krill · May 04, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by audioaxes

warriors attacking other warriors first is one of the biggest no-no's

In some cases it's ok, and with an elemental weapon you can do a chunk of damage building up a spike for an enemy monk or other soft target.

When I play any front line role in RA I try to read the monk and what my team is doing before just mindlessly bum rushing the monk.

If it's a Mo/W WoH monk, that probably means they have guardian, discipled stance and possibly shield bash which can really slow down melee.

If it's a Mo/E throwing down SoD, SoR and / or prot spirit to pre-protect they should also be avoided at the start.

If it's a Mo/A with dark escape and return, that can also be problematic.

If it's a bonder or a noob monk I build a spike and bum rush them.

So if it's a good monk I try to pressure mes's, necros, ele's or sin's without crit defense first while some casters on my team hopefully pressure the monk some. Pick a target that is either going to hurt you or your monk and that you can do the most damage to. You have to know just when to spike a good monk in duress, then quickly spike another low target using a sig if the monk goes down.

BTW the only warrior I like to play in RA is hammer because you can use flail effectively (easier on your monk) and a well timed magehunter combo is devestating to any monk or caster. Shock axe and crip slash with frenzy is simply suicide in RA if you have a lone monk that's probably getting bum rushed by sins, dervs, dom mes's that can button mash off the bat..or no monk at all.

Farin · May 04, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

I try to avoid hitting warriors. I'd rather hit their softies and actually deal some damage. I have a really bad habit of chasing monks (even though it happens to work sometimes).

Mr Pink57 · May 04, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

^^More often then not people get "grudges" in RA. So when I Bull's a melee class (I catch em everytime) they get pissed or something and start attacking me. Which is great as that relieves pressure of my squishes and there not smart enough to swap to a ele weapon.

pink

Mr Fizzle · May 04, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

In the start of the game jump on their defensive player and their monks.
If your team starts taking some pressure jump on their frontline and offensive players.

Stabilize get back on their backline's ass.

Mesmer in Need · May 04, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Monks (good ones) usually don't carry rez. If you kill their teammates, they can't rez. Switching targets and pressuring to wear down a team is ftw.

la_cabra_de_vida · May 04, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Go kill stuff.